Leaked: Satan’s Diabolical Plan for the Seventh-day Adventist Church

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Leaked: Satan’s Diabolical Plan for the Seventh-day Adventist Church

I have roughly about 3600 words to share this diabolical plot. That isn’t a lot. As I write this urgent message, our church is at a crossroads. With controversy surrounding the last General Conference session and Annual Council, the church appears to be on the verge of an inevitable split. Something ominous this way comes.

I am reminded of Paul Revere’s midnight ride. The message delivered put the Americans on alert against Britain’s planned surprise attack on Lexington. The stakes are much higher though, simply because the potential to ignore the warning is real. The message is simple yet complex. The messenger is the 11th chapter of Daniel. In it is a solemn appeal to the General Conference and the North American Division, both of whom are seeking to do the right thing.

In October of 2018, the Village SDA in Berrien Springs, Michigan hosted a symposium on Daniel 11[1]. Over 40 scholars, pastors, and teachers were present to share their views on Daniel 11:40-45 to a large audience. As one of the presenters, I shared first for the divine service a message regarding why Michael Stands up in Daniel 12:1. Later, I was one of several presenters who gave a 20-minute exegesis of Daniel 11:40-45.[2]

Since then, I have found something I had not seen before, something troubling. The 11th chapter of Daniel contains a diabolic plot against the Israel of God, one that is bone-chilling and in fact appears to be working with satanic precision. The intended goal of this paper, this message, this “midnight ride” is to expose the plot.[3]

First Key Point—The Context of Daniel 11

A brief overview of the book of Daniel is vital if we are to understand. In Daniel 11, there are two antagonistic powers at war with one another, the king of the north and the king of the south. When the kingdom of Greece divided into 4 kingdoms, two of them eventually emerged as victors.

The king of the north soon became synonymous with the territory of Babylon, while the king of the south was synonymous with Egypt. These powers war back and forth throughout the chapter until the king of the north emerges the victor in verse 40 to the end of the chapter.

In Daniel 2, we have the description of an image of a man representing the kingdoms of the world. This image ultimately falls to the kingdom set up by Jesus himself after the second coming. But why do these kingdoms fall? Daniel 7 which describes the same kingdoms, this time using beasts, gives us insight into the inner workings of the man image in Daniel 2.

In other words, Daniel 7 repeats and enlarges upon Daniel 2; we learn there that a little horn is working against the God of heaven. In Daniel 8, we are given more insight into why the man image in Daniel 2 is destroyed. Daniel 11 shows us with minute detail why the kingdoms of Daniel 2 fall to Christ.

Jesus summarized it best when he said,

How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. (Mark 3:23-25).

The king of the north (Babylon) and south (Egypt) are powers that unfold within the context of the kingdoms of Daniel 2. This warfare among and within the kingdoms of earth show the reason they fall—division.

Second Key Point—The Identity of the King of the South at the Time of the End

The identity of the King of the South at the “time of the end” is crucial. Daniel 11:40 reads,

And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

The king of the south is said to attack or push at the king of the north at the time of the end. There is general agreement that the time of the end began in 1798. The book of Revelation describes the Papacy receiving a deadly wound at the end of the 42 prophetic months. The power that came against the Papacy was France, during the French Revolution.

The Bible describes this power as the beast that rose from the “bottomless pit.”[4] It is described as “spiritually” Egypt,[5] and it is this power put to death the two witnesses. As Adventist, there is universal agreement that this atheism’s attack on the Old and New Testaments. What is key to understand here is that the French Revolution was not just about atheism. The French Revolution was also about equality; it was about social justice which in and of itself is a good thing.

It was here that the political terms “left” and “right” had their origin.[6] Those in favor of the king and the church sat to the “right” of the king (today’s Republicans), while those in favor of the revolution sat to the “left” (today’s Democrats). In essence, the king of the south embraced the politics of the “left”, promoted “reason” over the word of God, while fighting for justice and equality under the banner of “revolution” and protest.

They “rejoiced” over the dead bodies of the two witnesses.[7] This rejoicing, however, was not without cause, misguided as it was. The French revolution was a result of years of oppression from the papacy during the dark ages. We will come back to this point.

Remember, atheism is described as ascending from the bottomless pit. According to Revelation 9:11, the bottomless pit has a king.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Abaddon and Apollyon are names for Satan himself. In other words, the real “king” of the south, the true author of atheism is Satan himself.   

Third Key Point—The Identity of the King of the North at the Time of the End

The identity of the king of the North in verse 40 onward is crucial. The king of the North was attacked at the time of the end, or 1798. The king of the south was said to “push at him.” Bible Prophecy verifies that this event was the wounding of the Papacy by the French. The characteristics of the Papacy—the king of the north—were the exact opposite of the French Revolution—the king of the south.

The Papacy was immersed in legalism—a salvation by works system; they were steeped in the idea of biblical elitism. No one, but the learned scholar, could have the right to teach the gospel, be ordained to the ministry, or even understand the Bible. They were conservative, rigid, and overbearing, and often kept the laity in line through persecution and force, and manipulation. It was this rigid, overbearing elitism that led to the French Revolution.

The Bible tells us that after the king of the south pushed against the king of the north in 1798, at some point, the king of the north retaliates.

The king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. (Daniel 11:40).

This we understand to be the healing of the deadly wound. When the deadly wound is healed, the king of the North overpowers the king of the south. In other words, something occurs that rids the earth of atheism—the belief that God does not exist.

What is that event? And why does the Bible describe this king of the North coming against the king of the South “like a whirlwind” and overflowing “into all the countries”? What would open the way for the king of the North to gain such access to the countries, and bring into mental submission such forces as atheism, as well as the whole world?

First, note that the whirlwind is often connected in the Bible with the coming of God. A mighty wind is described in Daniel 2:35. This “wind” is a reference to the destruction that occurs at the second coming of Christ. That event corresponds with Daniel 12:1-2 where Michael stands up to deliver His people.

But this king of the North is said to come like a whirlwind shortly before Michael Himself will come with a whirlwind. Note how the whirlwind is used in other places in the scripture.

  • Elijah is caught up to God out of a whirlwind, with chariots (2 Kings 2:1,11).
  • God answers Job out of the whirlwind (Job 38:1, 40:6).
  • The “whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury” (Jeremiah 30:23).
  • Ezekiel saw a “whirlwind came out of the north” in which was the presence and glory of God (Ezekiel 1:4). Notice this whirlwind comes out of the north.

Isaiah 65:15 says this:

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire (KJV).

The Lord’s coming is here equated to a whirlwind and being with chariots. Now, according to the Bible, the true King of the North is Jesus.

Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. (Psalms 48:1-2, KJV).

The mountain of God’s holiness is on the “sides of the north.” Lucifer desired this position of God in heaven; he wanted to be king of the North.[8]

Then this power, the king of the north, who sweeps the world before Michael, the true king of the North appears, is none other than Satan himself. It is not just the papacy. The Papacy is to Satan what John the Baptist was to Jesus, namely, the one who prepared the people to receive the coming Messiah.

The king of the North, “coming” “like a whirlwind” “out of the north” with “chariots” is a representation of Satan counterfeiting the Second Coming of the true King of the North. This is “the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ.”[9]

He comes with horsemen (land power—the beast from the earth), ships, (sea power—the beast from the sea) and a whirlwind (air power—the prince of the power of the air). In other words, it is the threefold union of the beast, the false prophet, and Satan, that determines when the deadly wound is healed. Then “all the world” will wonder. Not some. All—except for the remnant.

In essence, then, the king of the north is really Satan. The king of the South is really Satan. Both the king of the North and the king of the South are the same individual! Jesus foretold,

If a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. (Mark 3:24-26).

This is why the king of the north comes “to his end” in Daniel 11:45. Note this: Satan is playing two separate and distinct roles to lead the people of the world to war against each other. He is playing both sides. Left against Right. Or, the more accurate terminology, Northerners against Southerners. But why would he go through so much trouble to infuse the world with these two opposing spirits which are really the same spirit?

Here is why: Satan knows that by beholding we become changed. As those in Adventism take their eyes off of Christ, off of the mission of the church, and begin to behold the conflict between the left and the right (really the north and south) the same spirit of the kings of the north and the south begin to enter the church.

On one hand, Satan is tempting many to become “southerners” adopting the spirit of revolution and protest, to exalt feelings and reason over the word of God, to exalt equality and social justice (which are good causes) in a way that leads to more confusion than order.

On the other hand, he tempts others to become “northerners” adopting the spirit of elitism, legalism, persecution, and control. The same spirit existing between Democrats (southerners) and Republicans (northerners) parties, now exists in the church. We have formulated Adventist gangs, Norteños and Sureños.

Don’t get caught or discovered in the wrong territory—as both Northerners and Southerners tend to intimidate, often silently, the perceived minority. A perceived northerner these days will never be hired by southerners, and vice versa.

The ultimate end game is for the kingdom of God to become divided so that when Satan unites the northerners and the southerners of the word through his crowning act of deception, the people of God will be divided, and hence weakened in preparation for the final assault. This is exactly what Satan did with Israel of old. This leads us to point four.

Key Point Four—The Diabolical Plot

We have already identified the final king of the south as “spiritually” Egypt. The final king of the north in Daniel 11 is the king of spiritual Babylon. It is noteworthy, that the first king of the north in the book of Daniel, was the king of literal Babylon. Notice how Nebuchadnezzar is described in the book of Ezekiel:

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. (Ezekiel 26:7, KJV).

Now, note the almost identical description of the final king of the north in Daniel 11:40. Literal Babylon and its actions, we will see, provide us with a template for the actions of spiritual Babylon described in the crucial verses of Daniel 11:40-45.

The history of literal Babylon’s ascent to power involved the routing of their rival—the kingdom of literal Egypt. The conflict between ancient Babylon (North) and Egypt (South) is described by the prophet Jeremiah. He chronicles how Egypt first “pushed” at Babylon.

Then Pharaoh’s army was come forth out of Egypt: and when the Chaldeans that besieged Jerusalem heard tidings of them, they departed from Jerusalem. (Jeremiah 37:5, KJV).

Egypt came to the assistance of besieged Jerusalem and for a time dissuaded Babylon. However, note how the text continues:

Then came the word of the LORD unto the prophet Jeremiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say to the king of Judah, that sent you unto me to enquire of me; Behold, Pharaoh’s army, which is come forth to help you, shall return to Egypt into their own land. And the Chaldeans shall come again, and fight against this city, and take it, and burn it with fire. (Jeremiah 37:6-8).

Babylon would then return and defeat Egypt.[10]

It was only after that victory that Babylon entered “the glorious land” of Jerusalem to assault Israel. As literal Babylon came into Biblical prominence after defeating Egypt in 605 B.C.—the Battle of Carchemish—so, the final spiritual Babylon, the king of the north, will come into its final authority after it overthrows, against the spiritual king of the south, spiritual Egypt. Once this occurs, the king of the north will similarly enter the “glorious land,” or “spiritual Israel,” the Remnant.

Now for the clincher. Jerusalem was not the full force of the people of God. Remember, Jerusalem was comprised of only two tribes—Judah and Benjamin. Where was the rest of Israel? Some 300 years earlier, internal conflict began to wreak havoc on the 12 tribes. As a result, because of their inability to solve these conflicts and see the working of Satan in their kingdom, Israel split into two kingdoms, North and South.

Rehoboam heavy-handed rule, and Jeroboam’s desire to set up a new worship center, where “he elevated to the priesthood men from ‘the lowest of the people’”[11] to God’s displeasure. With a new class of priests for Israel, it led to the destruction of both kingdoms, Judah by Assyria in 722 BC, and Jerusalem by Babylon in 605 BC.

It is the same split Satan is leading us to today! This diabolical plot appears to be working with stunning precision as calls for revolution, defiance, and punishment are swirling within the church.

A Possible Solution

I believe that God wants His people to remain in Israel. Israel was north of Egypt and South of Babylon—in other words, in the center of both. God needs his people to be centered on the Gospel. Had our eyes been kept on the mission and not on the trends of the world or “faults” of the church, we would not have time to deal with anything but the unselfish ministry of the three angel’s messages. Our first step must be to take our attention off of the kings of the north and south and focus them upon the King of kings.

Secondly, how should we address the issue that is appearing to tear the church apart? Satan never checkmates God. God always has a way of escape. I believe the issue that we face now has a solution. I don’t know if this is it, but I will share what I think is one possible way to avoid the trap. The solution is a radical one and would call for concession.

First, we should acknowledge that there is no example of a female pastor in the Bible. Wait! Please don’t stop reading. I am only suggesting that we acknowledge what plainly is, and is not in the Bible. There are women prophets, and women leaders (Deborah)[12] but no women pastors or elders. Let’s not put reason or emotion above the Bible.

In the same vein, the Bible mentions no such position as conference, union, or GC “president”. These positions are also foreign to the Bible. Yet the existence of this position does not mean that the church is in apostasy, or make these positions in and of themselves, evil. If these positions have been created to meet the growing needs of the church, then other extra-biblical positions can be created so that women can do the work of ministry and be paid for it—equally paid.

In fact, since the president position is not in the Bible, women should be able to serve in such positions. The criteria that one must be a pastor to hold such a position is a man-made criterion.

Third, we can also create extra-biblical positions, so that women can be ordained as “counselors”, which would be the female counterpart to elders, just as a deaconess is the counterpart to the deacon. It is always helpful if women could have other women they could go to for advice and counsel instead of men.

Fourth, ordination in the New Testament was for the purpose of commissioning “preachers”.[13] These “preachers” were not pastors of churches. If there are women, (and men) who are called to preach, they should be ordained and paid as “preachers” and “evangelists” or be allowed to start a self-sustaining ministry with the blessing of the Church.[14] One does not, and should not be required to be a “pastor” to be officially ordained to preach the gospel.

Finally, God is the one who calls to ministry. Yet, as a church, we have adopted a policy that negates the calling of God. Under this policy, none of the disciples, nor Paul himself would have been ordained or employed by the church to preach—for none had degrees.

If our church was more open to recognizing the call of God upon men and women not trained in the seminary and would acknowledge the calling and pay them to work, we might see more spirit filled ministries and less dying churches. A degree does not necessarily prove that one has been called to the ministry, nor does a lack of one negate the call of God.

The king of the north, during the dark ages, held that only the scholar, only the priest, only those who knew the original languages could be ordained to preach and teach. The adoption of this same mentality is at the root of our current crisis. The church should adopt a policy to acknowledge those called to ministry by God, not by degree.

There are God ordained people who are baptizing hundreds and or thousands and yet are being refused ordination in our church, while some men-ordained people who have not won one soul have secure employment as a pastor because they have a degree. Something is wrong with this picture.

Our current policy on ordination needs fixing. Our resources are being drained as a result, and many churches continue to decline in attendance. Our entire system needs an overhaul where the spirit is allowed to lead, instead of man-made rules.

I don’t have all the answers, nor do I know if what I suggested above is even viable. What I do know is that something must be done to avert this crisis. The kings of the north and south are injecting the spirit of war into the church. We must respond. We must unite to face a common enemy—two, in fact. I pray this warning will not go unheeded.



[1] See www.Daniel11prophecy.com

[2] See http://powerofthelamb.com/daniel-11-40-45-kings/

[3] For a more in-depth explanation of this message go to https://www.patreon.com/posts/daniel-11-plan-22507921

[4] See Revelation 11.

[5] Revelation 11:8.

[6] See http://theconversation.com/the-evolution-of-frances-left-and-right-politics-from-the-1789-french-revolution-to-this-years-election-76226

[7] Revelation 11:9.

[8] Isaiah 14:13-14, KJV.

[9] Ellen White, Great Controversy (Nampa, ID: Pacific Press, 1911), p. 624.

[10] See Jeremiah 46:1-2, 13, Ezekiel 30:19-21, 2 Kings 24:7.

[11] Ellen White, Prophets and Kings (Nampa, ID: Pacific Press, 1917), p. 101.

[12] “Her name was Deborah. She was known as a prophetess, and in the absence of the usual magistrates, the people had sought to her for counsel and justice.” Ellen White, Daughters of God (Nampa, ID: Pacific Press, 1998), p. 37.

[13] Matthew 3:14; 1 Timothy 2:7.

[14] “The printed page cannot accomplish alone the work that the living minister can do. He can explain the Scriptures to the people, praying with them and appealing to them, and making effective the truths of the Bible. Not merely one or two men are called to do this work, but many men and women who have ability to preach and teach the Word…” Ellen White, Daughters of God (1998), p. 110.

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Ivor Myers

Pastor Ivor Myers is Pastor of the Campbell SDA Church in the Central California Conference. He is also the founder of Power of the Lamb Ministries as well as Arme Ministries. For more information on his ministry go to www.patreon.com/Powerofthelamb or text FIRE to 888-111.

  • Canny Tay

    “the destruction of both kingdoms, Judah by Assyria in 722 BC, and Jerusalem by Babylon in 605 BC.”

    It supposes to be “Israel” rather than “Judah” to be destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC.

  • George Tasker

    With respect to ordination it is interesting to note that the geographical areas that are biggest on Women’s ordination are also the same geographical areas that struggle with church growth.

    They are also the areas where feminism has metastasized into the church driving a lot of good men out.

  • mk2net

    Some good points about the issue of proper pay, and the artificial requirement for a degree to serve in the gospel ministry. Ultimately, though, this issue is about how we read and interpret the Bible. Pluralism tolerated within the church has already given us homosexual and transgender elders, acceptance of evolution, baptism of a “married” homosexual couple, etc.

    What the church (especially in the West) really needs right now is a spirit of repentance, which is the heart of the Laodicen message. These ongoing doctrinal disputes over things once settled are symptoms of the disease of worldliness in the church. Instead of following the Inspired counsels, we have gone our own way. If we take a plain look at the plan laid out in the Spirit of Prophecy, it is clear we are not following it. Big hospitals and colleges, settled pastors hovering over churches, open sin tolerated and/or celebrated. It’s a dark time in our church, and you see it by the way many of our churches in the West are emptying as the congregations age and pass away.

    Pr. Meyers’ point that we can’t focus on these disputes at the expense of mission is true. We must also set the house in order. The first step to doing so is to acknowledge that there are two churches within Adventism today, with divergent belief systems that inevitably lead to different endstates. There are individuals who might argue that both sides are wrong, and there is a “third way,” but that is as unlikely to be true as it would be for every Israelite in the time of the Judges to be right in their own private interpretation. There are two paths being proposed. Along the right path, there is the possibility to fall into either legalism or fanaticism. Along the wrong path, there is no safety, except to leave it. If WO were truly a “minor” issue, and of no importance, you would not have unions writing “Here I Stand” articles on the topic. No, this is an absolutely critical issue that centers on the Bible and our understanding of it. While we might wish to avoid the unfortunate truth that we do not agree on this foundational level, that is the truth. We don’t agree on how to read the Bible. And unless we think that pluralism on how to understand the Bible is Biblical, we must acknowledge this (as many have, such as Clinton Wahlen) and address it.

  • Marvalee Franklyn

    A well written article with sound proposals for a way forward. Unfortunately they are unlikely to receive due consideration because there is a level of entrenchment in our own belief as to the “rightness” of our position and the “wrongness” of the other side that I dare say, no room is left for the Holy Spirit! May God help us all!

  • Frank Peacham

    I agree with your fine conclusion that since the Bible is silence on ordination of women such action can be Spirit led. Very well expressed.

    I question your definition of the king of the south promoting “reason” over the word of God. I understand you are fitting this into story line of Daniel 11. However, I think it is a straw man issue falsely set up as an end time issue. In essence both sides of this conflict must hold reason above Scriptures.

    We reason away many things in the Bible that we don’t hold as absolute truths. To name a few: (1) Paul says no drunkards will enter heaven. Few would teach that the millions of individuals that are addicted to alcohol or its counterparts’ drugs, can be saved. What if in their life long addiction and struggle they call on the name of the Lord? Would we say “sorry, too bad for you.” (2) Slaves submit to their masters as to the Lord. (3) Women should be silent in church. (3) Moses taught that men could sell their daughters into slavery not their sons; slave owners could beat their slaves as long as they could stand on the third day and women were monthly impure being able to impart that impurity in whatever they touched. Etc Conclusion, we have a fine way of reasoning away large portions of the OT and some passages in the NT that we hold as unacceptable and cultural.

    I don’t think the kings of the south and north are a plot within the church, the issues facing the church today are relevant. Sadly, we have no visible leader that can bring the church together. We are running leaderless, bent of self-destruction.

    • Dee Anna

      If the Bible is silent on ordination of women, how can they say it is wrong for a woman to be ordained ?? On what do they base their decision on this ?

  • King T

    It’s a truly sad day when the glaring truth of how our beloved church has come to the place that such disunity and violence give evidence to the lack of spiritual maturity and uniformity under the authority of God’s Word. The comments I’ve read here sadden me especially the idea that there is no (visible) leader. When I was called into Jesus I was met with a huge shock when I found out how far from being spirit lead our church was. It’s as if the reformation spirit has dried up and we’ve accepted the idea that the crumbs we’ve gleaned from the Word in our conception as a church was the fullest and deepest understanding God had to reveal to us as a body. We in our celebration of EGW’s gifts forgot that God is capable of so much more. We have accepted mediocrity and not continued our efforts to rise to higher levels and have held fast to the mindset of reform and growth. New understandings or light have no room in our church. We reject the idea that there is more for we allowed the fallacy of our own wisdom to supersede the the fact that the only leader we have and serve is infinite in nature and it very well is possible that we should never be comfortable in the way we comprehend truth for all that we ever know no matter how informed or enlightened we may feel is but a fraction of the great and glorious TRUTH that is God. 1888 revealed the beginnings of church complacency and the immaturity of our church was highlighted in how we dealt with those who God had lifted up with a message. We must return to the primitive thirst and fear that prevailed in the church of God. We must as rightly stated by brother Myers acknowledge that leaders are not born from the education of schools but are divinely ordained and chosen by God. We must surrender the spirit that desires supremacy over others and be willing to be lead as children humbly accepting direction not of man’s design but that which illuminated by the law and testimony of Scripture. The power and example of Jesus was in His contrition and submission to His Father alone. Here the remnant which shall remain will stand.

    There is no victory found in aligning the church with political correctness or sentiments that create an atmosphere more inviting to them whose hearts are unconverted for they are at enmity with God and we should not seek conformity with them but with heaven. The filling of pews because we have made a church more worldly is not evidence that God is in its growth. How wretched have we become to not recognize the depravity of our circumstances or the depth of our need for aid of God to save this deplorable state we have come to shackled in.

    Reformation is needed yes.. but not for a new order of things but for something quite ancient. We need the old paths to walk in and for God’s children to recognize the spirit of God not the accreditation of men as the ordination by which authority is given. Jesus didn’t wait for the high minded Pharisees or learned men to be converted or acknowledge the Truth to start the church.. He certainly wont wait today either. The gates of hell have never nor evil will prevail against the movement of the few and while Satan distracts the many God is still working and building towards a glorious end. Those who are apart of this may pray for them who are missing the bus but the Spirit of the Lord must go forward and by grace its end shall lead to a few being knitted and shaped into an united army of God’s Law abiding spirit lead warriors illustrating the principles of primitive Godliness and exuding the character of the Eternal Holy Father.

    Jesus IS the Way!

  • Brenda124

    I disagree with pastor Myers’ “third way” solution. Bible is saying one thing, yet we should let the Spirit lead us…
    Women ordained by God who are baptizing hundreds and or thousands are usually not striving for higher positions of leadership or recognition. It is usually those fighting on the side of “south.”

    Interestingly, conferences that want to promote women in ministry are the same ones described by pastor Myers that won’t employ anyone without a Master’s degree. Amazing Facts evangelists for example that have baptized many new members are usually employed by other conference considered very conservative. So it seems that those two problems have different solutions.
    In any case we are about to see what will happen in the future as more and more women are ordained. We just need to wait a little…

  • SoCalJody

    Excellent article. I need to re-read a few times. I think you offer excellent insights.
    For solution, I think you under-estimate the feminist movement’s spirit — not co-partners in whatever — but break-your-ceiling leaders. And, I think you under-estimate man’s lazy-ness. When women step out of helper role (as in Genisis) into co-partner or leadership role, men drop out. I think God had it right in the Garden of Eden. Adam was held responsible, and Eve was helpmate. Even after sin, God called to Adam. Adam was held responsible because God knew man’s DNA tends to go to lazy? Eve was helpmate because God knew women’s DNA tends to go to over-bearing? Maybe God’s given role in the Garden of Eden is similar to the Sabbath — no apparent reason other than God’s directions. We read, we obey, we trust, then discover in Heaven God’s motives. I think you go extremely light on hermeutics in your solution. I am not life-long SDA, and SDA is the first church I joined after retirmement based on study of Bible hermeutics. So, your solution does not have me convinced of its Biblical base.

  • NPaul

    Never thought about this interpretation of the kingdom of north and south. However, I really concur on several points: Left and right confrontation is not what God intends for us. At the end, it will be undoubtedly two groups, those who follow God and those who follow satan. It is clear to me that when we are confrontational withing the church today, we take on either side or category. We, in the church, don’t need to wait until the time of the end to make a choice on which side we are. The church members at all ranks are making those decision now. Same as with Sabbath. Many are focusing on the end times to the Sunday law to make the great decision. However, many don’t realize that we are making those important and critical decisions now, on daily basis, that will set us for the final decision. Those decision reflect or worship styles, modern ideologies changing bible interpretation, dressing, eating, looking more and more like the sunday worship churches. I see that it will be only through the power of the Holy Spirit that we would be able to stand for God. But the decisions are to be made today.